Issue 94 Jun 2000
Norfolk Section
The Britannia and Castle
     

Sir David Thorne  Opening Tribute  Cathedral Memorial
4th Bn  Pte Alec Pike, sister Dolly and Dad's Army
Archives  A 'short soldier' shoots down a Junkers 88   MV Georgic 1947  The K Force Men 
by Maj Tom Styles
Beer Beer Warnings  Our Man in Bosnia   Thinking of Beer ...
Did you know
5573508 ES Collins
Len Brazier 
Recalled by Capt John A Todd
Camp  Camping It Up!
Gillie Gilchrist  Recalled by Ray Segon
Harry Holliday  Hat
Helmond Helmond 1999
Letters  Dear George from Maj Bryan Coward obe
MV Georgic 1948 MV Georgic sails for England two days after the Independence of Indian A Todd
Woodpecker Woodpecker 1948  Woodpecker 1950  Woodpecker 1999  Crow's Nest Sauce with your Woodpecker?
More from B&C Jun 2000 to follow

Major-General Sir David Thorne KBE CVO

The untimely death on St George's Day, 23 April 2000, of our President, mars this edition of the B&C.
The first letter this Norfolk Section Editor wrote on accepting the post was to Sir David. Treasured archives are hand-written Regimental postcards from Sir David. One, received in Bosnia in 1996 was particularly hard to read. When the problem was mentioned to General Sir Michael Walker, he had the solution: 'Give it to me. I used to be his Adjutant and can read anything.'
It gave the Norfolk Editor much pleasure to send a spoof letter or suitably captioned photograph to Sir David, knowing that on the next occasion we met a finger, accompanied by that engaging smile, would be wagged.
Eleven editions on from that first edition edited in June 1995, this B&C 94 is a tribute to a remarkable, approachable English Officer and Gentleman whose like we will not see again. Click here for the obituary.

On this site is the full text of the two addresses, never previously published, and only heard by those present at Sir David's Thanksgiving Service in Norwich Cathedral on 17 July 2000. It was intended to summarise these for publication in the B&C but to edit the 8000 words would have been a travesty. Click here for the address by General Sir Michael Walker and here for that by Miss Helen Tridgell
Click here for extracts from letters written to and B&C extracts referring to Major-General Sir David Thorne KBE CVO
Below: Chapel memorial to Sir David Thorne

Did you know 5573508 ES Collins?
The wife of his nephew, Mrs Christine Bargent, wrote appealing for more information on his service career. 'From papers with details of his service, we know that he served with the Wiltshire Regt and The Royal Norfolk Regt. With some New Zealand soldiers he was captured by the Japanese. He would never talk about his time in the Far East but in recent times he met a former Army pal and they slipped into conversation in Japanese. Although he never married and lived the bachelor life, he was still a bit of a lad right up to the end with ladies’ telephone numbers filling his diary. He was 80 on New Year’s Eve and remained quite mobile.'
Can anyone help?
If you knew ES Collins or anything about him please contact Christine via the Norfolk Section Editor or RHQ, Britannia House, TA Centre, 325 Aylsham Rd, Norwich, NR3 2AB. Tel 01603 400290.
(Click here for his obituary.)

Regimental Reunion Dinner Sep 1999
Far right - click photograph to enlarge - is the Norfolk Editor and a Bowler-Hatted chap!
Foreground is the Norwich and District Branch table.
Click here for a close-up of the nearest chap supping a pint!

Click photographs to enlarge

THE BRITANNIA - AUGUST 1950
Capt William Gaymer has kindly loaned the editor copies of the journal from No 26 Autumn 1939 to the final edition No 54 August 1959.
1st Bn Sgts Mess. Since the last issue of Britannia we have at last seen a bit of barrack life and all rumours about the issue of the 'Sennelager Star' are being forgotten.
CSM Paul Boxall is the only doubtful member; he is considering an appeal as he has been on holiday in that area 4 times.
Now for a few serious points without poaching on other people's reserves. Quite a few members paid £1 (in BASV) to join the Regimental Scatter Gun team. Congratulations to Sgt Harry Longdon on being detailed as chief game warden. He still doesn't know how many able assistants he had. You can't beat a Norfolk Swede when it comes to an individual stalk on a pig (lesson learnt at Sennelager) and in spite of all precautions ie whistles and binoculars, certain members did enjoy a really good venison steak and many wives are now able to prepare a rabbit.
However, joking apart, we did have some really good shoots and on the last occasion CSM Tim Chatting (d 2004) had an excellent bag of 3 Crow's nests and one woodpecker. Luckily, cartridges are fairly cheap (8/6d per qtr) and Tim only spent 17/-.'


'Crow's nest sauce with your woodpecker Sir?
Norwich Branch Lunch 1999

ANOTHER WOODPECKER
Mentioned in B&C No 88 Jun 97, `Operation Woodpecker took many men away from training and an account by Lt CV Cecil Smith appeared on p35 in THE BRITANNIA No 31 February 1948.

THE TWO OFFICERS CAMPING IT UP
A good authority reports an unlikely but true tale (click here for the strict conditions of Editorial acceptance).
They were driving to TA Camp and it was foggy. The journey was slow and lunch beckoned so they stopped on a gently sloping patch of grass. Luckily, the Mess Silver was aboard so advantage was taken of it, candelabra as well as cutlery and wine glasses. When the fog cleared Lt Col Reg Cousins (d 2001) and Maj Tim Chatting (d 2004) found they were parked on a roundabout!
It's good to see that Tim's nickname of 'Camp' from Korea had a practical use in UK.
(And see p N12 - N13 and Britannia 40 Nov 1952 and B&C 85 Dec 95!)

FROM OUR MAN IN BOSNIA
A '3-beer-cans-per-day' rule applies in Banja Luka where Maj Colin Allder TD RA, my successor, was based for the last months of his 3rd consecutive tour. Poor chap. He spent, as did the Norfolk Editor, a year on an all expenses paid holiday rep jolly, based in an office not far from the lapping waters of the stunning island strewn Dalmatian Coast of the Adriatic. Err, I mean a hazardous Operational Tour in war ravaged Bosnia. Then he went to The Land o' The Green.
In a 7-day a week, 24-hour-a-day operation, the poor beggars 'Up Country' are in the green kit all the time, except when doing 'phys' so we on the coast were described as living in 'Pipe and Slipper City' as we only wore green kit when at work.
Colin took over from me the mantle, along with the slippers, shawl and Bath Chair, but not my pipe, which go with the severe responsibilities that accompany the designation 'Oldest Brit Soldier in Theatre'.
It was therefore most reassuring to read that he was off for 'a post-lunch walk round one of running circuits in Banja Luka' but he sent:
BEER WARNINGS
Due to increasing product liability litigation, beer manufacturers have accepted the BMA suggestion that the following warning labels be placed immediately on all beer containers:
WARNING: Consumption of alcohol may make you think you are whispering when you are not.
WARNING: Consumption of alcohol is a major factor in dancing like a nerd.
WARNING: Consumption of alcohol may cause you to tell the same boring story over and over again. WARNING: Consumption of alcohol may cause you to thay shings like thish.
WARNING: Consumption of alcohol may leave you wondering what the hell happened to your trousers.
WARNING: Consumption of alcohol may make you think you have mystical Kung Fu powers.
WARNING: Consumption of alcohol may cause you to roll over in the morning and see something really scary (whose name and/or species you can't remember).
WARNING: Consumption of alcohol may create the illusion that you are tougher, more attractive, and smarter than some big guy named Ronald Reagan.
WARNING: Consumption of alcohol may lead you to believe you are invisible.
WARNING: Consumption of alcohol may lead you to think people are laughing with you.
WARNING: Consumption of alcohol may cause a flux in the time-space continuum, whereby small (and sometimes large) gaps of time may seem to literally disappear.
WARNING: Consumption of alcohol may actually cause pregnancy.

THINKING OF BEER ….
Maj Reeve needs to post the above warnings in RHQ!
Does the Regimental Barber make House Calls?

Right: Supping his beer at the Regimental Dinner Sep 1999, a curly haired syrup is spotted!
Click here to see him in colour at the 2000 Dinner.

SHORT SOLDIER SHOOTS DOWN A JUNKERS 88
Some of the Guard at RAF Watton in WW2 were Royal Norfolk soldiers before they embarked for Singapore. A Firecrew diary in the "Wartime Watton Exhibition" gives an account of a "short soldier" shooting down a Junkers 88 at Scoulton! B&C 93 Dec 99 queried if this was the late James Exall whose obituary on p N27 stated that James received a citation from the Area Commander for shooting down a hostile aircraft while on guard duty at an airfield in Britain. Bill Seymour confirms this was indeed James Exall.
After note Apr 02 by Webmaster: See the RAF Watton page.

GILLY GILCHRIST
In B&C Dec 99 appeared Korean Odyssey 1999 by DJ Jerry Willmott CBE QFSM, an account of his visit to Korea in Apr 99 with John Denny, Gillie Gilchrist (died 2000) and Ray Raynor.
Ray Segon of the Norwich and District Branch was a National Serviceman working with RQMS Harwood in Korea.
Summoned to see the Adjutant, he met RSM Gillie Gilchrist, 'I was shaking and fearful because he radiated authority. Although a frightening man, you would follow him anywhere.'
The Adjt said: 'I hear you have some talent at signwriting. We need a new signwriter. Would you mind doing it? It's over the bridge in the American Sector.'
Ray hardly hesitated in his acceptance. It meant US rations!
There was a song about the RSM, who was on the Windrush when it burned out in the Med:

You haven't seen old Gilly for a hell of a time,
All along the line.
But if he's the RSM of the Norfolks,
He's no cousin of mine.

New pikes were made for the Coronation and the staves were to be stained alternate dark, light, dark. No varnish was available so light tan and ox blood boot polish was used. Somehow the staining went wrong and they ended up the wrong way round - light, dark, light.
In Hong Kong there were 44 gal oil drums on the Drill Square and the RSM wanted them painted in the Regimental colours. Procuring paint was difficult. Ray Segon managed to get some red gloss and yellow gloss but drew a blank with black gloss, managing however to get some matt black paint. He was on the square painting when he became aware of a presence. Standing up, level it seemed with the belt buckle of RSM Gilchrist, he heard the demanding question: 'Why is the black paint not shiny?'

LEN BRAZIER
Capt John A Todd (died 2002), in Doncaster, kindly took up the suggestion in B&C 91 Dec 98 (see below) of writing to Capt Len Brazier (d 2002) at the RBL Home in Cromer. John last saw Len on Ballard Pier, Bombay, in Aug 1947 as the MV Georgic sailed for England two days after the Independence of India.) Len and a few others had to remain behind as they had just had UK leave. John says that their paths did not cross again and he must have missed Len at the Reunions he attended from 1949. Now 74, he recalls travelling from Bardney Airfield to Norwich in 1947 with the Regimental Colours and Mess Silver of 2 R Norfolk. Capt Todd reckons the rail service to Norwich is now worse than before WW2! Then, it was Doncaster to Peterborough by LNER then to West Lynn by M&GNR, and on to Fakenham stopping at every village. The other route was via Sleaford, Ely, Thetford and Attleborough to Wymondham, then wait for the Dereham, Fakenham, Wells train from Norwich. Leaving Doncaster at around 8am it was 6pm before Fakenham was reached.
John commenced his service at 9 PTC, Fort George, in May 1944, going to India in November. After training at Mhow he was commissioned into 2 R Norfolk and served with them until the disbandment of the 2nd Bn (see Britannia No 31, Feb 1948 repeated in B&C 89 Dec 97). In India, John was attached to 5th Bn, 13 Frontier Force Rifles. His service concluded in 1948 with 1 R Norfolk in Berlin.

For more, see:
Georgic Index
B&C 88 Jun 97 - The Norfolks leave India in Aug 1947 by Sydney Smith of The Daily Express
B&C 90 Jun 98 - Dutchie Holland by Gordon Spong
B&C 91 Dec 98 by Ron Phelps
B&C 93 Dec 99 by Gordon Spong
B&C 95 Dec 00 - Aug 00 Reunion by Gordon Spong
B&C 98 Jun 02 - Aug 01 Reunion by Jim Cameron

WITH THE MAGIC OF THE COMPUTER
A search in the computer files of the Norfolk Editor revealed the B&C 91 Dec 98 appeal, repeated below:

LEN BRAZIER
Mrs Eva Brazier wrote from Norfolk. After two strokes her husband, Captain
Len Brazier, is now in the RBL Halsey House in Cromer. She is not too well herself.

MORE MAGIC - ABOUT LEN
A B&C 87 Dec 96 article was titled:
BURMA STAR ASSOCIATION - NORTH NORFOLK BRANCH
Major Rev Hugh M 'Dickie' Davies of Norfolk, ex-2nd Bn and retired hockey player, informs us of the closing in September 1996 of the North Norfolk Branch of the Burma Star Association. It was raised and kept going by the hard work of Captain Len Brazier and his wife Eva. They have done a good job.
After Note: Maj The Reverend Hugh 'Dickie' Davies died on 9 Apr 02 and Capt Len Brazier died on 10 Nov 2002.

CPL HARRY HOLLIDAY
Also resident with Capt Len Brazier at the RBL Home in Cromer is Cpl Harry Holliday who joined 4 Royal Norfolk from the 1st Bn in 1939. Fred Ayers and John Bilyard visited and report that despite a stroke, Harry is able to get about. Most POWs will recall that Harry always wore his bush hat while working on The Railway. Asked what happened to the hat, Harry led Fred and John to his room where he produced the famous item of headgear.

NOW WE KNOW WHO IT WASN’T!
Major Bryan B Coward, in Rutland, wrote in Dec 95 about The Earl of Leicester visiting Weybourn.
‘In early 1940 he paid a visit to the 5th Battalion in Weybourn. Lt Col Gus Scott-Chad invited the noble Lord to dinner in the mess and when I say mess it really was a bit disorderly. The Nissen huts were designed for the summer holiday weather but the January winds off the North Sea were enough to discourage the hardiest of brass monkeys. In any event the Earl, then over 90 and a veteran of Omdurman, regaled us with a few tales of soldiering in what I suppose he regarded as "the good old days’. The fact we were all wearing khaki seemed to worry the old warrior. After a while he said, ‘Simply can't understand why you chaps wear this khaki stuff. You know we used to beat 'em in scarlet!’
Bryan regrets there do not seem to be any ‘Holy Boys’ in his area. Do you know of any who could call him?

For a pearl from Bryan, see obe in B&C 96 Jun 01

And for a gem:
In Dec 1939, at Britannia Barracks, Bryan’s Company Commander was shown a letter by a soldier who wanted 4 days leave.
From 12 Oakham Road, Norwich, it said:.
Dear George,
Just a line to let you know the baby is not yours.
Yours faithfully,
Lilian

More to follow

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