Issue 87 Dec 1996

Norfolk Section
The Britannia and Castle
     
1915-1916 Siege of Kut - an appeal   10 Platoon, D Coy, Royal Norfolk Regiment 1951-2   A Coy 6th Bn Royal Norfolk Regt in Thailand    Branch Reports   C Coy, 5th Bn Royal Norfolk Regt in Thailand   Changi: ‘The Queen, she's a good ol' sort’   Charlie Pottle and Ray Fretwell in Korea   Col George Winter and A Tale of a Ha'penny   Cyprus Forest Fire 1956 Service of Remembrance   D Allman Korea Grave photograph   Dorset Regt and Tim Chatting 'Primus in Indus'   Geoff Ransome and 1943 Gargling Parades   Geschichtslehrer am hiesigen Gymnasium   Kempitai on the prowl   Korea Memorial in Regimental Chapel   More Rum D Coy?   Obituary Maj Robert 'Bob' Hamond   Regimental Association Dinner Sep 96   John Sydney 'Jack' Robinson   Singapore Poem   The Britannia No 29 Feb 1947   Winkie Fitt and Korean Latrines   Winkie Fitt and The Rum   Winter Journey to Sarajevo

QUESTION 1
The figures of the soldiers in the Museum were sculpted from an 1813 print :

"IXth or E.NORFOLK REGT of INFANTRY.
An ENSIGN bearing the REGIMENTAL COLOURS
& COLOUR SERJEANT on SERVICE"

The Regt was originally the 9th of Foot (East Norfolk Regt).

What happened to the West Norfolk Regt ?

The answer can be found by a click here

Click here for more on 'Colour Serjeant'.

QUESTION 2
When and why was the rank of ‘Colour Sergeant ’ instituted ?

The answer can be found by a click here

10 PLATOON, D COY, ROYAL NORFOLK REGIMENT 1951-2
Did you serve in 10 Platoon D Coy 1951-2 in Korea? 22429731 LCpl Tom G Latham wishes to renew contact with you.
(As a result of this appeal Tom is pictured in B&C 90 Jun 98 and in B&C 97 Dec 01 at the Sep 01 Norwich Reunion Dinner with some of the 1951 10 Pl)

THE DORSET REGIMENT - 'Primus in Indus'
At the Army Cadet Force Camp Annual Camp Dinner Night at Cwrt-Y-Gollen, Crickhowell in August 1996 Maj Tim Chatting was asked if he recalled, when RSM of the 1st Bn, proposing a toast on 'Norset Day' in the Sergeants Mess in Hong Kong in the 195O's. Tim did. 'The Dorset Regiment - Primus in Indus and Lastus in Koreaus.'
He did not recall what Jerry Willmott CBE QFSM, 1st Bn 1951 to 1957 added to the tale: 'It was extremely late and Tim, purely in the course of duty, had consumed at least his fair share of alcoholic beverage. He was saying farewell to our Dorset comrades in arms, all of whom had dutifully shared in the Royal Norfolk Regiment's copious hospitality. Tim concluded the toast 'Primus in Indus and Lastus in Koreaus' with 'And all the flippin' bestus' then Tim promptly closed the bar and departed rapidly into the night. The cognoscenti will appreciate that 'Primus in Indus' was writ large on the Dorset's cap badge.'
Click here for more on the Norsets and here for a Sgts Mess tale with the Dorset Regt.
Click here for references by Lt Col ET Lummis concerning the Dorset/Norfolk link

22435394 D ALLMAN - KILLED 2 JUNE 1952 AGED 20 - ROYAL NORFOLK REGIMENT
Gordon Rowley has a photograph of the above gravestone taken in Korea and would be pleased to pass it on to any relatives.
Make contact via the Norfolk Section Editor or RHQ Tel 01603 400290.
B&C 87

KOREA MEMORIAL
Ted Riches sent a photograph of the memorial tablet in the Regimental Chapel, dedicated in 1959 :

REMEMBER
HERE
THE THIRTY-SIX
OFFICERS AND MEN
of
THE FIRST BATTALION
THE ROYAL NORFOLK
REGIMENT
WHO DIED FOR THE
UNITED NATIONS
IN KOREA
1951-1952

DID YOU NOTICE the annotated drawing of 'The Layout of a Korean Dugout' on page 14 of the 'History of the Royal Norfolk Regiment 1951-1969' by Major Bob Godfrey MC BA?
Illustrating the construction of a hillside dugout : 'Stove Pipe Chimney Cautionary Note: this should not be too prominent because of its similarity to the pipes erected as latrines.
CSM Winkie Fitt, homeward-bound from the Sgts Mess at night, was notoriously unable to tell the difference.'
CHARLIE POTTLE AND RAY FRETWELL
Bill Dudley wrote the article A YOUNGER EX-ROYAL NORFOLK VISITS LE PARADIS in B&C No 85 Dec 95 and wished to trace 2 former Royal Norfolk comrades who went to Korea, Charlie Pottle and Ray Fretwell.
B&C 83 Dec 94 (not on site as the Webmaster did not become B&C Editor until 1995) carried a brief obituary: 'Mr Charles Pottle of Pretty Gate, Colchester died in September 1994.'
Would anyone having knowledge of Ray Fretwell please inform Bill Dudley via the Norfolk Section Editor.
See Charlie Pottle in B&C 100 Jun 03.

Andreas Peter of Guben, Germany, wrote: 'als Geschichtslehrer am hiesigen Gymnasium bin ich auch in der regionalen Geschichtsforchung tatig.'
Thankfully, the RHQ Office lass, Liz Reeve, provided a translation!
A history teacher, he is researching life in the POW camps in Germany in WW1, particularly Frankfurt, Brandenburg, Cottbus, Crossen, Havelberg, Guben and Beeskow.
He would be grateful for any information readers can provide - 'Ich wurde mich sehr uber eine Antwort freuen und verbleide.'
CHANGI – ‘THE QUEEN, SHE'S A GOOD OL' SORT’
Click here for the story.

KEMPITAI ON THE PROWL
Click here for the story

C COY, 5TH BN ROYAL NORFOLK REGT IN THAILAND
Pte Edward Baldwin, who died in Thailand as a POW while serving with C Coy 5th Bn Royal Norfolk Regt.
Click here for the story
A COY 6TH BN ROYAL NORFOLK REGT IN THAILAND
Click here for the story
SINGAPORE POEM
Click here for the poem
from a magazine in a prison camp in Singapore, written by a Royal Norfolk POW
REGIMENTAL ASSOCIATION REUNION DINNER 1996
200 Old Comrades met at the Reunion Dinner on Sat 21 Sep 1996 at the TA Centre, Aylsham Road, Norwich. It was the 30th Dinner to be held at Aylsham Road since the venue was changed from Britannia Barracks.
Our President, Major General Sir David Thorne KBE CVO welcomed The Right Reverend Dennis Hawker, a Case Worker for SSAFA, and praised the efforts of a number of individuals and bodies for their sterling work on behalf of the association.
Tributes were paid to Bob Turner-Cain and Roy Smith, former WO1 1st Bn and CSM of A Coy, 6 R ANGLIAN 'a strong character and a fine soldier', whose obituaries appear in this issue. The permanent oak panel memorial to Bob Hamond who died in Feb 1996 was to be dedicated the next day in the Regimental Chapel. Bob's obituary was in B&C No 86 Jun 96.
(Roy Smith was my CSM in Norwich in the early 1980s and his experience, especially with shooting, was invaluable. It was fitting that in the Drill Hall where Roy concluded his Army career, after the Association dinner came an extra tribute to Roy Smith from Alan Cole of Spalding, Lincs. Alan served in D Coy with Roy in 1962 at the Infantry Junior Leader's Bn at Oswestry, Shropshire and he sent a photograph to the editor showing himself, Alan Cole, with Roy Smith, Tich Fowler, David Lynn and Mervin Bramwell. Ed.)
The absence of Brig Jack Wilkinson DSO was admirably explained. After breaking his ankle he had walked home unaided and done it no good! We were also sorry to note the absence of that other great character, also unwell, Winkie Fitt. (Though still able to drive, Winkie tells me he is unable to walk far or climb stairs. Why not send him a Christmas card? BR Fitt DCM MSM - address was supplied in the printed B&C. Ed.)
With the Laying Up of the Colours of the 1st Bn in the Regimental Chapel on 4 May 1996 we have a complete family of Colours - Royal Norfolk, East Anglian and now Royal Anglian. (And see pages N18-19 for an account of that occasion. Ed.)
The Regimental Secretary, Maj William Reeve and his team, consisting of Ted Whiting, Liz Reeve and Chris Cowell, were thanked for their tireless work.
A (Norfolk and Suffolk) Coy were away at Annual Camp in Belgium and their PSAO (Permanent Staff Admin Officer), Capt Paul Smith was accorded special thanks for his assistance to the Regimental Association and for his contribution as a member of the Royal Norfolk Regt Officers' Dinner Club Committee.
The 22 Regimental Cottages were full and trustees Col Nick Hallett and Maj Sam Hornor were congratulated on their continued involvement.
The Regimental Museum under its trustees led by Maj Tom Eaton welcomed the Town Close Estate Charity grant for establishing an educational resource package about the museum for schools and families.
Thanks were offered to Maj Sam Hornor and The Chapel Committee; Ted Whiting ‘a true and loyal Regimental Servant’ for his quality production of the menu; Maj Gilbert Banthorpe for his continued involvement; Paul Boxall for his organisation of the evening, especially the raffle which had made a profit of £295 and provision of the principal prize.
(Ted Whiting is due to retire in February 1997 and will be sorely missed. Ed)

THE ANSWER TO QUESTION 1
Th
e Regt was originally the 9th of Foot (East Norfolk Regt). What happened to the West Norfolk Regt ?

In 1785 the 54th Foot was given the title the 54th or West Norfolk Regt. In 1881 it became the 2nd Bn The Dorsetshire Regt.

There were 'Norset' connections during and after WW2. B&C Issue 85 Dec 95 (quoting The Britannia No 27 Feb 46) referred to the 2nd Bn Sergeants Mess 1945 drinking team in India on VJ Day against 2 Dorsets and 1 Royal Scots (won by the IX with plenty to spare though at the end of the session only 3 bodies remained, flat out.) And in this issue B&C 87 Dec 96 (quoting The Britannia No 28 Aug 1946, p 19), the scribe for No 2 ITC wrote about the departure of the Dorset Regt, "It is doubtful whether any two Regts could have pulled together better in the common cause. Our two Regts indeed have much in common, not only in past history and traditions but in recent battles. The present co-operation and friendship have largely been made possible by the splendid example of Lt Col JS Hewick of the Dorsets. He is a true 'Norset'." And see No 2 Infantry Training Centre (No 2 ITC), No 9 Primary Training Centre (No 9 PTC) and The 54th Foot (West Norfolk Regt) Colours. And in 1959 two restored Renaissance Chapel altar candlesticks were dedicated, the cost of one borne by the Dorset Regt in acknowledgement of the shared history of the 2 Regts. (With grateful thanks to Maj Bob Godfrey MC BA for permission to quote from "History of the Royal Norfolk Regt 1951-1969 Volume IV" p141.  Ed.)

THE ANSWER TO QUESTION 2
When and why was the rank of ‘Colour Sergeant’ instituted ?

It was at the request of the Duke of Wellington that the special rank of ‘Colour Sergeant’ was instituted in 1813 for those whose duty it was to act as escort to the Colours. He was apparently so much impressed by the bravery shown by the Sergeants escorting the colours that he desired they should have a special rank and wear as their badge a single chevron over which was a single flag, crossed poinards and a crown. Later, the badge was altered to 3 chevrons with crossed flags and a crown.

LOGISTIC OPERATIONS
REAR HEADQUARTERS
ACE RAPID REACTION CORPS
KISELJAK
BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA
BFPO 542

14 April 1996

WINTER JOURNEY TO SARAJEVO or IMPRESSIONS OF AN ESCAPE FROM KISELJAK
After a Night Shift from 7.30 pm to 7.30 am and remaining for the 8am telephone Conference call of the Deputy Chief of Staff and dealing with one piece of e-mail, I disappeared from the OPS Room for a morning, leaving my room and desk-mate, Maj Mike Vokes TD to man the Day Shift. It meant losing the majority of my sleep time but it was a rare opportunity to get out 'beyond the wire'.
There are 2 shuttle runs daily from ARRC REAR in Kiseljak to various stops in Sarajevo, where ARRC HQ is located, the round trip taking about 4 hours. A Land Rover and a 4 tonne truck are normally used. Delivering mail and taking anyone waiting at the various halts to their required destination is the aim.
Even if there is only one official passenger, vehicles must move in a minimum packet of 2 and both need a co-driver. Having donned body armour and helmet, before even sitting in the Land Rover there were some formalities to complete at the former Hall Porter's cupboard, now the Guard Room. Check that pistol is in holster (and not still under pillow!) and sign out 10 rounds of ammunition. Book out - name, rank, blood group, destination and expected time of return.
String together the worst set of post-winter potholes you have ever driven through or into. Then conceal the holes with slush and bump over them for 40 minutes in a Land Rover. That was the journey into Sarajevo. Mainly rural but with a considerable number of houses, the snow covered fields and verges concealed the potential danger of mines. There are an estimated 3 million of them and some can destroy a tank. 8000 minefields have been mapped so far. Under no circumstances do we or vehicles go on to the verge or off the road, even to go round a broken down vehicle. Recently, a French vehicle towing a trailer unfortunately moved onto the verge when faced by an oncoming wide load and the trailer was destroyed.
A surprising number of vehicles were on the road where black market fuel is sold in tins and plastic bottles. After years of war, livestock is scarce and a valuable exchange commodity. No grass was visible on the snow covered land so the animals were no doubt indoors. Two cows were being led on a halter by elderly men, all slipping and sliding on the frozen verge. In the valley settlements a few shops were open, displaying a small range of fruit outside in the traditional English way. Some houses had been stripped of roof, doors and windows by residents departing for their new ethnic area. We followed a family on a farm trailer, piled high with furniture and possessions, a bony horse between the shafts. Negotiating tight mountainous bends near Sarajevo was a convoy of 4 Armoured wheeled vehicles, in the midst of which was one bearing 3 red stars. It was COMARRC, Lt Gen Sir Michael Walker.
In Sarajevo we passed 'The Residency', Admiral Leighton-Smith's IFOR HQ. It was the former official residence of Tito and where Archduke Ferdinand spent his last night. We also passed where he was assassinated in 1914. In the city centre, near the Holiday Inn, and especially around the airport, houses and blocks of flats were gutted or at least shrapnel pocked. Factories and commercial premises in the city environs were totally vacant. Once again I was shocked by the immensity of the devastation. All that remained of one skyscraper was the central core lift shaft. The collapsed floors lay like a pack of cards. Concrete blocks are all that remain of park benches, long ago stripped for firewood.
A French Armoured vehicle was on a bridge, its main armament aimed down the boulevard known as Sniper Alley. The resurrected tram system, with a few operational trams, runs along the middle of the wide dual carriageway in the city centre. The service was frequent but those waiting assembled in large groups and in African / Indian style many travelled by hanging on to the back. Dozens of derelict trams, lacking windows and with the extra ventilation of shrapnel holes, were jammed in the depot. Apart from twisted tracks in places, many of the overhead power cables are damaged and loose ends dangle along parts of the trackways. It is also still mined!
Showing IFOR passes at the French-manned sandbagged bunker and passing French Armoured vehicles we entered the grounds of Zetra Stadium. Parking the Land Rover in the shelter of mounds of earth defences, my driver and the driver and escort of the accompanying 4-tonne went for a game of pool, saying, 'We'll be ready to go in an hour.'
The metal cladding of the stadium was flapping like rags on barbed wire. The week before, at 8am, a rifle grenade had exploded 20m above the stadium! I found my way inside and was surprised the lobby was intact. The floor tiles were undamaged though the tunnels and stairs were largely without lights. Two lanes of the bowling alley had been restored by resident soldiers. I stood - and slipped - on the ice in the Zetra Stadium where in the 1984 Winter Olympics Jayne Torville and Christopher Dean won their Gold Medal. It was not the white ice you have seen on ice rinks. This ice was from where water and snow was entering through gaps in the flapping roof. The tiers of spectator seats were partly covered in tarpaulins. Elsewhere, oil drips from the parked Signal Squadron generators and vehicles made walking precarious.
ARRC Main HQ is at the Hotel Serbia. The facade had been damaged by mortar fire but was very smart inside.
At none of the halts was anyone waiting - a daily occurrence said my driver.
In the town were water stand pipes and out in the countryside a young woman was collecting water in a plastic container from a field drain outflow into the ditch. I saw a woman doing the family washing in an outside water trough. Serbs departing city areas due to come under Croat-Muslim Federation control had stripped the telephone exchange. Some are firing and even booby trapping their houses. After hand grenades were thrown at an appliance the Fire Brigade now refuse to turn out in one suburb!
The too often used phrase 'looking as if a bomb has hit it' took on a real meaning after visits to Mostar and Sarajevo. Not just a block of buildings but whole areas of cities appear as I recall London was in the late 1940s. So many of these scenes have appeared on the news. Being driven along in the warm, in relative comfort, knowing hot meals, warm accommodation and a safe future awaits for the foreseeable future heightens my awareness of the plight of the people around me. (Notwithstanding freezing chalk rubble floored barns and limited sleep - by my own choice - on UK exercises with 19 Mechanised Brigade!)
On our second trip to the airport the road was jammed with a long queue of Serbs leaving the city. We gave up and headed back to Kiseljak.
I hope no one was waiting for a lift!
JL Raybould March 1996

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