| Issue 87 Dec 1996 Norfolk Section The Britannia and Castle |
QUESTION
1 "IXth or E.NORFOLK REGT of
INFANTRY. The Regt was originally the 9th of Foot (East Norfolk Regt). What happened to the West Norfolk Regt ? |
QUESTION
2 |
| 10 PLATOON, D COY, ROYAL
NORFOLK REGIMENT 1951-2 Did you serve in 10 Platoon D Coy 1951-2 in Korea? 22429731 LCpl Tom G Latham wishes to renew contact with you. (As a result of this appeal Tom is pictured in B&C 90 Jun 98 and in B&C 97 Dec 01 at the Sep 01 Norwich Reunion Dinner with some of the 1951 10 Pl) |
| THE DORSET REGIMENT -
'Primus in Indus' At the Army Cadet Force Camp Annual Camp Dinner Night at Cwrt-Y-Gollen, Crickhowell in August 1996 Maj Tim Chatting was asked if he recalled, when RSM of the 1st Bn, proposing a toast on 'Norset Day' in the Sergeants Mess in Hong Kong in the 195O's. Tim did. 'The Dorset Regiment - Primus in Indus and Lastus in Koreaus.' He did not recall what Jerry Willmott CBE QFSM, 1st Bn 1951 to 1957 added to the tale: 'It was extremely late and Tim, purely in the course of duty, had consumed at least his fair share of alcoholic beverage. He was saying farewell to our Dorset comrades in arms, all of whom had dutifully shared in the Royal Norfolk Regiment's copious hospitality. Tim concluded the toast 'Primus in Indus and Lastus in Koreaus' with 'And all the flippin' bestus' then Tim promptly closed the bar and departed rapidly into the night. The cognoscenti will appreciate that 'Primus in Indus' was writ large on the Dorset's cap badge.' Click here for more on the Norsets and here for a Sgts Mess tale with the Dorset Regt. Click here for references by Lt Col ET Lummis concerning the Dorset/Norfolk link |
| 22435394 D ALLMAN -
KILLED 2 JUNE 1952 AGED 20 - ROYAL NORFOLK REGIMENT Gordon Rowley has a photograph of the above gravestone taken in Korea and would be pleased to pass it on to any relatives. Make contact via the Norfolk Section Editor or RHQ Tel 01603 400290. B&C 87 |
| KOREA MEMORIAL Ted Riches sent a photograph of the memorial tablet in the Regimental Chapel, dedicated in 1959 : REMEMBER |
| DID YOU NOTICE
the annotated drawing of 'The Layout of a Korean Dugout'
on page 14 of the 'History of the Royal Norfolk Regiment
1951-1969' by Major Bob
Godfrey MC BA? Illustrating the construction of a hillside dugout : 'Stove Pipe Chimney Cautionary Note: this should not be too prominent because of its similarity to the pipes erected as latrines. CSM Winkie Fitt, homeward-bound from the Sgts Mess at night, was notoriously unable to tell the difference.' |
| CHARLIE
POTTLE AND RAY FRETWELL Bill Dudley wrote the article A YOUNGER EX-ROYAL NORFOLK VISITS LE PARADIS in B&C No 85 Dec 95 and wished to trace 2 former Royal Norfolk comrades who went to Korea, Charlie Pottle and Ray Fretwell. B&C 83 Dec 94 (not on site as the Webmaster did not become B&C Editor until 1995) carried a brief obituary: 'Mr Charles Pottle of Pretty Gate, Colchester died in September 1994.' Would anyone having knowledge of Ray Fretwell please inform Bill Dudley via the Norfolk Section Editor. See Charlie Pottle in B&C 100 Jun 03. |
Andreas
Peter of Guben,
Germany, wrote: 'als Geschichtslehrer am hiesigen
Gymnasium bin ich auch in der regionalen
Geschichtsforchung tatig.'Thankfully, the RHQ Office lass, Liz Reeve, provided a translation! A history teacher, he is researching life in the POW camps in Germany in WW1, particularly Frankfurt, Brandenburg, Cottbus, Crossen, Havelberg, Guben and Beeskow. He would be grateful for any information readers can provide - 'Ich wurde mich sehr uber eine Antwort freuen und verbleide.' |
| CHANGI – ‘THE QUEEN, SHE'S A GOOD
OL' SORT’ Click here for the story. |
| KEMPITAI ON THE PROWL Click here for the story |
| C COY, 5TH BN ROYAL NORFOLK REGT
IN THAILAND Pte Edward Baldwin, who died in Thailand as a POW while serving with C Coy 5th Bn Royal Norfolk Regt. Click here for the story |
| A COY
6TH BN ROYAL NORFOLK REGT IN THAILAND Click here for the story |
| SINGAPORE POEM Click here for the poem from a magazine in a prison camp in Singapore, written by a Royal Norfolk POW |
| REGIMENTAL ASSOCIATION REUNION
DINNER 1996 200 Old Comrades met at the Reunion Dinner on Sat 21 Sep 1996 at the TA Centre, Aylsham Road, Norwich. It was the 30th Dinner to be held at Aylsham Road since the venue was changed from Britannia Barracks. Our President, Major General Sir David Thorne KBE CVO welcomed The Right Reverend Dennis Hawker, a Case Worker for SSAFA, and praised the efforts of a number of individuals and bodies for their sterling work on behalf of the association. Tributes were paid to Bob Turner-Cain and Roy Smith, former WO1 1st Bn and CSM of A Coy, 6 R ANGLIAN 'a strong character and a fine soldier', whose obituaries appear in this issue. The permanent oak panel memorial to Bob Hamond who died in Feb 1996 was to be dedicated the next day in the Regimental Chapel. Bob's obituary was in B&C No 86 Jun 96. (Roy Smith was my CSM in Norwich in the early 1980s and his experience, especially with shooting, was invaluable. It was fitting that in the Drill Hall where Roy concluded his Army career, after the Association dinner came an extra tribute to Roy Smith from Alan Cole of Spalding, Lincs. Alan served in D Coy with Roy in 1962 at the Infantry Junior Leader's Bn at Oswestry, Shropshire and he sent a photograph to the editor showing himself, Alan Cole, with Roy Smith, Tich Fowler, David Lynn and Mervin Bramwell. Ed.) The absence of Brig Jack Wilkinson DSO was admirably explained. After breaking his ankle he had walked home unaided and done it no good! We were also sorry to note the absence of that other great character, also unwell, Winkie Fitt. (Though still able to drive, Winkie tells me he is unable to walk far or climb stairs. Why not send him a Christmas card? BR Fitt DCM MSM - address was supplied in the printed B&C. Ed.) With the Laying Up of the Colours of the 1st Bn in the Regimental Chapel on 4 May 1996 we have a complete family of Colours - Royal Norfolk, East Anglian and now Royal Anglian. (And see pages N18-19 for an account of that occasion. Ed.) The Regimental Secretary, Maj William Reeve and his team, consisting of Ted Whiting, Liz Reeve and Chris Cowell, were thanked for their tireless work. A (Norfolk and Suffolk) Coy were away at Annual Camp in Belgium and their PSAO (Permanent Staff Admin Officer), Capt Paul Smith was accorded special thanks for his assistance to the Regimental Association and for his contribution as a member of the Royal Norfolk Regt Officers' Dinner Club Committee. The 22 Regimental Cottages were full and trustees Col Nick Hallett and Maj Sam Hornor were congratulated on their continued involvement. The Regimental Museum under its trustees led by Maj Tom Eaton welcomed the Town Close Estate Charity grant for establishing an educational resource package about the museum for schools and families. Thanks were offered to Maj Sam Hornor and The Chapel Committee; Ted Whiting ‘a true and loyal Regimental Servant’ for his quality production of the menu; Maj Gilbert Banthorpe for his continued involvement; Paul Boxall for his organisation of the evening, especially the raffle which had made a profit of £295 and provision of the principal prize. (Ted Whiting is due to retire in February 1997 and will be sorely missed. Ed) |
THE
ANSWER TO QUESTION 1 In 1785 the 54th Foot was given the title the 54th or West Norfolk Regt. In 1881 it became the 2nd Bn The Dorsetshire Regt. There were 'Norset' connections during and after WW2. B&C Issue 85 Dec 95 (quoting The Britannia No 27 Feb 46) referred to the 2nd Bn Sergeants Mess 1945 drinking team in India on VJ Day against 2 Dorsets and 1 Royal Scots (won by the IX with plenty to spare though at the end of the session only 3 bodies remained, flat out.) And in this issue B&C 87 Dec 96 (quoting The Britannia No 28 Aug 1946, p 19), the scribe for No 2 ITC wrote about the departure of the Dorset Regt, "It is doubtful whether any two Regts could have pulled together better in the common cause. Our two Regts indeed have much in common, not only in past history and traditions but in recent battles. The present co-operation and friendship have largely been made possible by the splendid example of Lt Col JS Hewick of the Dorsets. He is a true 'Norset'." And see No 2 Infantry Training Centre (No 2 ITC), No 9 Primary Training Centre (No 9 PTC) and The 54th Foot (West Norfolk Regt) Colours. And in 1959 two restored Renaissance Chapel altar candlesticks were dedicated, the cost of one borne by the Dorset Regt in acknowledgement of the shared history of the 2 Regts. (With grateful thanks to Maj Bob Godfrey MC BA for permission to quote from "History of the Royal Norfolk Regt 1951-1969 Volume IV" p141. Ed.) |
THE ANSWER TO QUESTION 2 It was at the request of the Duke of Wellington that the special rank of ‘Colour Sergeant’ was instituted in 1813 for those whose duty it was to act as escort to the Colours. He was apparently so much impressed by the bravery shown by the Sergeants escorting the colours that he desired they should have a special rank and wear as their badge a single chevron over which was a single flag, crossed poinards and a crown. Later, the badge was altered to 3 chevrons with crossed flags and a crown. |
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